Tracing the roots of the SJW

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Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:02 pm

a thread for highlighting parallels between the social justice warrior and their antecedents

the maoists had their big character posters, designed for denouncing enemies of the state and instigating attacks on neighbors, coworkers, even family members. we have 280 character tweets.

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my mandarin is shaky but i'm fairly sure the biggest poster there says something about punching TERFs

a recent twitter trend i've noticed is signalling your antifascist principles by retweeting copypasta about shooting "nazis" - punching is so 2016

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the original creator of this powerful revolutionary mantra, i can't remember their username, was given a temporary ban and forced to remove the tweet by the white supremacists in charge of twitter. fortunately many comrades, in defiance of twitter's decision, have made sure the message has been spread far and wide

Since retweeting that, Nick, who identifies as a left-libertarian(!) has had his own run-in with the authorities:

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it seems like violence-obsessed marxist-leninists ( :lol: ) have replaced the void left by their now long since banned hitlerist pepe rivals

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:44 pm

I was contemplating something like this myself, so well done for getting the ball rolling.

I sort of have a different take on the SJW term. As 'warrior' here is rather scathing and sarcastic, I take it to represent the screeching emotional college types of whom there are plenty of examples on Youtube, Trigglypuff being a decent catch all representation. You seem to be taking it in a more serious direction though by going back further in time and probably correctly too, our recent silly SJW's are a result of our age of security, abundance, extended childhood and probably Postmodernism, but there's got to be more to it than that.. a darker side.

in a few posts here I've been commenting on that darker side, and identified the Evergreen situation as an example of the tipping point where "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Benjamin Boyce has been doing good analysis on Evergreen and remarked on how some of the student huddles there were looking a lot like the Maoist 'Struggle Sessions', looking for history repeating itself is one way of understanding our less conscious behaviours.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm

re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists

e,g, from the British communist Morning Star :

http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-95d8-W ... im3AUpl-Un

Many women now feel they are facing a purge for committing thought crime. Sadly, this phenomenon is not just limited to the Labour Party — it now affects most of the “progressive” left.

As a feminist campaigner of many years, I know women who work in organisations from across the domestic and sexual violence sector; many are scared to openly raise questions about gender identity theory. Doing so could lose them their jobs, or worse, jeopardise the minimal funding that charities they work for depend upon.


in terms of the "roots" this post is qi from a tumblr called communistroader that I can't seem to get a link to

Anonymous asked:
Can you talk more about how transgenderism is part of the ruling class agenda? I'm really interested but I don't quite understand! Or if there are any articles I can read!

communistroader answered:
Sure! To get started there’s this video where they discuss the amount of funding the trans lobby has accrued in a very short time. And there’s this post by Miranda Yardley. He touches on the rich autogynephiles in positions of power in trans lobby organizations, and how these same organizations get millions of $$$ in bourgeois patronage from Starbucks, Apple, NBC, etc. Here’s another blogger who noticed how much elite support transgenderism has received.
Wealthy white men are at the top of the trans lobby. Magdalen Berns even responded to a VICE video which gave a glimpse of how many rich autogynephiles live in New York. Spoiler: there’s a lot. Not only do they tend to be wealthy, but they were inundated in strict conservatism growing up, so they tend to gravitate to a wholly stereotyped vision of “womanhood” that looks like it came out of the 50s. Unsurprisingly, their foray into transgenderism is always sexually charged and there’s at least an implied fetish element. So transgenderism is under the ideological leadership of the world’s least oppressed people.
Transgenderism accomplishes a ton of bourgeois goals all at once. It promotes woman-hatred. It is obliterating the concept of womanhood in popular discourse. It is completely destroying feminism through a divide-and-rule strategy; liberal feminists are employed as flying monkeys and radical feminists are subjected to extreme censorship and violence. It is an automatic backlash against the meager gains for LGB rights in the past couple decades; it has rebranded conversion therapy as progressive; it has declared lesbianism transphobic; and it has introduced “gender identity” into anti-discrimination laws, which completely nullifies protections on the basis of sex and sexual orientation. It has given privileged white men an oppressed card, which has completely slowed down the black liberation movement and the socialist movement, as both these movements try to reconcile fighting for the oppressed while obeying the whim of whiny narcissists. It helps spread imperialism when it starts getting exported into the third world and picks up “culturally specific genders” as its pawns.
It’s also extremely profitable.
At the base of transgenderism are some utterly reactionary philosophical assumptions. Transgenderism is idealist, meaning it elevates the mind and subjective feeling above material reality. It is mechanical, meaning it encourages the view that reality is made up of frozen parts, instead of the dialectical view that reality is a dynamic whole. In practice it relies on sophistry and fascist violence. Of course it hasn’t introduced these ways of thinking into capitalist society, but it is fundamentally a product of these ways of thinking.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:31 am

semper occultus wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm
re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists
I'm not sure that weaponised quite describes it, it is pretty toxic though and it could be employed as a weapon by opponents with cool heads (which tend to be in short supply in day-to-day politics, but not in deeper politics).

When it emerged around 2015 as the latest addition to the intersectionality** stable, it struck me as an experiment, something different to the more organic issues of race, sex and sexuality, and where there is an experiment, there will be an experimenter, and thus I was playing with conspiracy themes, something coming from outside of the Left.
It is possible that sheer arrogance and foolishness made them think they (Marxists) could invent any new ingredient and throw it into the mix, in which case they deserve to be hoist by their own petard. If his was unexpected though, the enthusiasm shown towards this exotic idea leaves me with little sympathy for them.

** intersectionality has eventually brought its own problems though, but it's been a slower burn. It was a help to the Marxist occupation of academia for a couple of decades but has ended up actually boosting identity politics and therefore creating contradictions within the Left. Elsewhere I have mused that one of the causes of the fear and hysteria that are classic SJW (the silly ones) symptoms are actually down to this ideological dissonance.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by BigEyeTenor » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:42 am

My first exposure to SJW's was when my son, probably 12 - 13 at the time, showed me on Instagram. The thing is, the most voiciferous and obnoxious of them were the same age. I think a lot of people forget that that obnoxious pushy idiot on social media might just be a damn kid. A child who gets off on being able to discard normal social boundaries on the internet.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:19 am

BigEyeTenor wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:42 am
My first exposure to SJW's was when my son, probably 12 - 13 at the time, showed me on Instagram. The thing is, the most voiciferous and obnoxious of them were the same age. I think a lot of people forget that that obnoxious pushy idiot on social media might just be a damn kid. A child who gets off on being able to discard normal social boundaries on the internet.
It seems we agree on the terminology here then.. 'SJW' represents the emotionally and ideologically confused youngsters (with a few older exceptions) who have acted this out on camera for all the world to see. I think these are entirely a recent phenomenon that can be traced back as far as the sixties but not really any further.
I think that the advent of the internet and ultra-portable video technology has made the difference here. On one hand it can be regarded as a cruel lens that has opened up personal moments of dissonance to the ridicule of the wider world, but I think it has been a net positive for the silly sods, they have been presented with evidence of their own buffoonery and idoleological incoherence, played repeatedly and edited mercilessly, and a number will be reconsidering the way they present themselves (modification of behaviour hopefully leading to modification of one's inner world too)
In the sixties there wasn't really anything like this, therefore personal protest came to be played out in the broader and gentler arena of 'lifestyle'.

I think Dusty has it right though, there is a serious element behind SJW's that extends further back and to this end I've been looking at groups like BAMN and the Revolutionary Communists (Sunsara Taylor's Berkeley chapter being the most visible), I would tentatively include a layer of academics too but we're not going to see them so much on the frontlines - Eric Clanton and Melissa Click being exceptions.
I would differentiate these by calling them SJE's (social justice enthusiasts), they aren't going to put their bodies on the line but will operate by manipulation (whilst possibly being manipulated themselves).


ETA: I tend to use 'enthusiast' in a-tongue-in-cheek fashion, but as understatement (as opposed to 'warrior', which is hyperbolic). I'm really suggesting towards something approaching an obsession.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by deep state » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:55 pm

narcissism has many faces and naturally adopts disguises in order to avoid having its bubble burst by reality

and a primary symptom of narcissism is the attempt to remold the world in one's own image

the SJW (as well as trans) seems to stem from people who don't care about the issues per se but only about finding a cause that will give them sufficient moral clout (self-righteounsess) to push themselves onto the world/the other, and so leaves traces of their sticky desperate faces everywhere they go.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:10 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm
re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists
I addressed this first part above about how transgender "stuff" may be a weapon, but that who is weaponising it is not clear - for that implies an actor who can possibly be discovered.
e,g, from the British communist Morning Star :

http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-95d8-W ... im3AUpl-Un

Many women now feel they are facing a purge for committing thought crime. Sadly, this phenomenon is not just limited to the Labour Party — it now affects most of the “progressive” left.

As a feminist campaigner of many years, I know women who work in organisations from across the domestic and sexual violence sector; many are scared to openly raise questions about gender identity theory. Doing so could lose them their jobs, or worse, jeopardise the minimal funding that charities they work for depend upon.


in terms of the "roots" this post is qi from a tumblr called communistroader that I can't seem to get a link to

Anonymous asked:
Can you talk more about how transgenderism is part of the ruling class agenda? I'm really interested but I don't quite understand! Or if there are any articles I can read!

communistroader answered:
Sure! To get started there’s this video where they discuss the amount of funding the trans lobby has accrued in a very short time. And there’s this post by Miranda Yardley. He touches on the rich autogynephiles in positions of power in trans lobby organizations, and how these same organizations get millions of $$$ in bourgeois patronage from Starbucks, Apple, NBC, etc. Here’s another blogger who noticed how much elite support transgenderism has received.
Wealthy white men are at the top of the trans lobby. Magdalen Berns even responded to a VICE video which gave a glimpse of how many rich autogynephiles live in New York. Spoiler: there’s a lot. Not only do they tend to be wealthy, but they were inundated in strict conservatism growing up, so they tend to gravitate to a wholly stereotyped vision of “womanhood” that looks like it came out of the 50s. Unsurprisingly, their foray into transgenderism is always sexually charged and there’s at least an implied fetish element. So transgenderism is under the ideological leadership of the world’s least oppressed people.
Transgenderism accomplishes a ton of bourgeois goals all at once. It promotes woman-hatred. It is obliterating the concept of womanhood in popular discourse. It is completely destroying feminism through a divide-and-rule strategy; liberal feminists are employed as flying monkeys and radical feminists are subjected to extreme censorship and violence. It is an automatic backlash against the meager gains for LGB rights in the past couple decades; it has rebranded conversion therapy as progressive; it has declared lesbianism transphobic; and it has introduced “gender identity” into anti-discrimination laws, which completely nullifies protections on the basis of sex and sexual orientation. It has given privileged white men an oppressed card, which has completely slowed down the black liberation movement and the socialist movement, as both these movements try to reconcile fighting for the oppressed while obeying the whim of whiny narcissists. It helps spread imperialism when it starts getting exported into the third world and picks up “culturally specific genders” as its pawns.
It’s also extremely profitable.
At the base of transgenderism are some utterly reactionary philosophical assumptions. Transgenderism is idealist, meaning it elevates the mind and subjective feeling above material reality. It is mechanical, meaning it encourages the view that reality is made up of frozen parts, instead of the dialectical view that reality is a dynamic whole. In practice it relies on sophistry and fascist violence. Of course it hasn’t introduced these ways of thinking into capitalist society, but it is fundamentally a product of these ways of thinking.
I'd usually disregard the reactions of Communists as they are often predictable and here they predictably make the opening move of making an '-ism'** out of the word. Following on from that though I sort of admire that they are taking a stand on it, as opposed to most of the Left who regard it as a harmless oddity that can be added to the intersectionality stable. Here they seem to be saying "Feminism yes!... Transgenderism No!"
Their analysis seems to be fairly unimaginative though, using their traditional boogeymen of the ruling classes and capitalism etc. It's quite amusing that they claim that Trangenderism is ruining Feminism when arguably that happened quite a while back with the advent of Third Wave Feminism making it a largely academic concern. The Communists would probably call this a vanguard, but it's certainly not grass-roots.

So, it seems even the Communists regard this as coming from outside of the Left, and I would agree with them to the extent that it seems external to political 'business as usual'. We're talking of something hazy here though, the realm of conspiracy theory, the usual suspect is what some would might call the Deep State, although other boogeymen can be fitted in there depending on the viewer (some rightists would say 'Cultural Marxism'.)


** My own instinct is to go beyond the standard 'isms' to the future-loving Tranhumanism and here I'm also I'm talking of religious sensibilities and yearnings, not just the biological sci-fi that is more readily associated with it.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:36 pm

afaik some of the older generation of leftists were pretty luke-warm about the LGB agenda - even before the T got added - regarding it - correctly I'd say - in not dissimilar terms as distracting attention away from "class" & becoming a band-wagon jumped on by sharp-elbowed middle class people to get access to funding for groups, public sector careers or a leg up the capitalist ladder generally

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:22 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:36 pm
afaik some of the older generation of leftists were pretty luke-warm about the LGB agenda - even before the T got added - regarding it - correctly I'd say - in not dissimilar terms as distracting attention away from "class" & becoming a band-wagon jumped on by sharp-elbowed middle class people to get access to funding for groups, public sector careers or a leg up the capitalist ladder generally
I wasn't paying much attention back then but Jordan Peterson relates this transition quite well, along with the reasons behind it. He has some extremely salty (and entertaining) diatribes concerning Foucault and Derrida and Postmodernism in general

He traces it back to the late sixties when it became embarrasing for certain academics to maintain their attachment to Marxism due to Communism's very public and bloody failures. The traditional dynamic of Marxism is class oppression and it had worked very well for them, but if an an academic was to look the part it was probably time to up their game and find some new spicy ingredients.. enter, via the route of intersectionaliy, racial oppression, gender oppression and as the years pass we could add age/disabilty/sexuality, right up to trangenderism.
This has been a pretty good gig up until recently but I think it is coming back to bite them as it has created instances of identity politics within the Left that don't sit too well there.. they were meant to be getting rid of that sort of thing.

I can imagine that some of the old guard weren't too happy about this but in the face of energetic youth movements and civil rights causes they would have looked pretty dried-up.



Peterson is rarely dry when he talks of these matters, some might say he's a bit too animated (for a 'prof') but it seems that many, me included, appreciate his passion.

" ...Foucault and Derrida regarded each other as intellectual Charlatans which was about the only thing either of them was ever really correct about"


ETA: Here's the whole lecture BTW, there are a lot of Peterson 'shorts' around but I think each should provide a link to the original. Note, in the section he does use the term SJW, very likely in full knowledge that it is imprecise but also knowing that one has to be imprecise now and again. I feel motivated to rewatch the lecture now.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:09 pm

I think the Morning Star people are what they call "tankies" on the internet, those stubborn old school socialists on the fringes (and on the labour front bench) that still uphold the big lie about bumper harvests, and dismiss mass starvation rumors as bourgeois slander. Like TERFs, and according to Twitter there is some crossover between the two, the tankies are right about a few things, despite otherwise being completely insane, and tend to reject the newer marxoid mutations that downplay class, as mentioned above. After all, in the Soviet Union, within their mandatory Marxist-Leninist indoctination lessons attended by both students and workers, the Frankfurt School was denounced as western subversion.

Earlier in the year I ended up watching the CPGB-ML's material on youtube, and was heartened by their pro-Brexit stance. The CPGB-ML, ML as in Marxist-Leninist, are a splinter group of the original Communist Party of Great Britain affiliated with the Morning Star paper. Pretty nice guys... their focus on class and anti-war activism is a refreshing change from the mass psychosis of the campus crybabies, just don't mention Trotsky in front of them! From what i can tell the extremist form of socialism most popular with the millennial crowd is third world-maoism (see J.Sakai). The simplistic third world vs first world dichotomy is catnip to a lot of modern leftists, and can easily be incorporated into their newfangled upside down racist antiracism.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:07 am

dusty wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:09 pm
I think the Morning Star people are what they call "tankies" on the internet, those stubborn old school socialists on the fringes (and on the labour front bench) that still uphold the big lie about bumper harvests, and dismiss mass starvation rumors as bourgeois slander. Like TERFs, and according to Twitter there is some crossover between the two, the tankies are right about a few things, despite otherwise being completely insane, and tend to reject the newer marxoid mutations that downplay class, as mentioned above. After all, in the Soviet Union, within their mandatory Marxist-Leninist indoctination lessons attended by both students and workers, the Frankfurt School was denounced as western subversion.
I stopped paying attention to these people quite a while back, thinking they would simply fade away in the face of Marxism's more energetic mutations. I reckon they may be worth a fresh look though.. tenacity counts, especially when pitted against things that can overshoot and burn themselves out, so thanks for the new avenue of interest. I don't think they can be classed as the origin of the SJW's but may represent a fallback position for them, even if it does look pretty dull and uninspiring.
I know it's often too tempting to look for symmetries, but I do, and here I would hold them up against nationalism. Ethnonationalism is the hardline old style that was commonly understood (National Front for instance), and it's only relatively recently that Civic Nationalism has been formulated - something that is more attractive to those of a milder nationalist bent - in recent terms this pans out to be Alt Right vs alt-lite. Talking of the Alt Right, I've heard mentions of 'Natbols' from them lately (National Bolshevik's maybe?) in relation to communism, I think I'll check this out too

Earlier in the year I ended up watching the CPGB-ML's material on youtube, and was heartened by their pro-Brexit stance. The CPGB-ML, ML as in Marxist-Leninist, are a splinter group of the original Communist Party of Great Britain affiliated with the Morning Star paper. Pretty nice guys... their focus on class and anti-war activism is a refreshing change from the mass psychosis of the campus crybabies, just don't mention Trotsky in front of them! From what i can tell the extremist form of socialism most popular with the millennial crowd is third world-maoism (see J.Sakai). The simplistic third world vs first world dichotomy is catnip to a lot of modern leftists, and can easily be incorporated into their newfangled upside down racist antiracism.
I sort of know what you mean by "a refreshing change", they are strange bedfellows though. I'm unclear on their attitude to SJW's and, if we are irritated by them, then I would expect these guys to really resent them, if they do though I haven't seen the resultant fireworks so maybe they are patient and philosophical as well as tenacious

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:02 pm

I'm unclear on their attitude to SJW's and, if we are irritated by them, then I would expect these guys to really resent them

This seems to be the case, they regard intersectionality as a betrayal of Scientific Marxism (sic) "rooted in class-based analysis" etc... naturally, the words bourgeois and Trot get thrown around a lot. The irony being that they fiercely defend the legacies of the commie despots of the 20th century who weaponized the masses to denounce and attack perceived heretics in a proto-SJW fashion.

https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01 - this fella is a good example of the modern tankie. the majority of his content is devoted to attacking the non-communist left, with the occassional glowing tribute to Glorious Anti-Imperialist Socialist Leader of Syria, Bashar Al-Assad thrown in.

On another part of the internet I witnessed the introduction of marxist-leninist rhetoric into a mainly moderate liberal/bernie bro commmunity. A single user took a stand against it, pointing out that Stalinist Russia was somewhat illiberal. I thought at first that the majority of users would take his side, but he made the fatal error of comparing communism with fascism (fact check: the bolsheviks meant well), after which he was roundly mocked and driven from the board. Since then the most vocal supporters of the stalinist newcomers were the SJW/trans contingent. Never forget:

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Outside of Russia nazbol appears to be nothing more than a meme, a not very funny internet joke for 4chan shut-ins who center their entire identity around fringe ideologies and -isms the way tumblrites collect genders and mental illnesses.

Last year I read The Other Russia, a highly entertaining but somewhat demented and not very serious manifesto for the Russian National Bolshevik party founded by Eduard Limonov: novelist, provocateur and former Dugin bestie.

Some quotes:
Various memoirs published in recent years show that few of Lenin associates had even read the first volume of Capital to the end. Having learned this I was delighted, because I always suspected that they didn’t. These brain-burning computations of professor Marx were not needed to them, people of action. They needed an exciting, beautiful flag and a few slogans. What can be more exciting than a red flag?
In Russia there are so many unhappy, angry and drunken men and women principally because the people have insipid sex livess. One should not go out in the streets with the banners “Factories to the workers!” “Land to the peasants!” but with the banners “Sexual comfort to all the citizens!” and “Long live promiscuity!”
The family in Russia is the strongest social institution. They say that in China it is even stronger. Most acts of corruption are committed for the sake of the family. The Russian functionary steals government money, as a rule, not for wasting on himself, but for the building of a spacious country-house, acquiring of an apartment for family members, for children and grandchildren. The Russian nouveau-riche are banal in the area of taste and preferences: a Mercedes for himself, a Mercedes for his daughter, a country-house for himself, a country-house for the son and the family. Of course the revolution should end all this bullshit, but for irrevocable transformations to happen in society, we need to destroy its strongest molecule: the family.
Many children will be needed for the nation to grow fast. This is why we should allow many kinds of families: those that lead to an unusual multiplication. Permit polygamy, free associations. Women should get pregnant continuously. As for the children they will be provided for and raised by the community. They will live and be raised among adults. Today children rot away in boring schools and their brains and memory are forcibly supplied with dust that nobody gives a shit about. Education will become short and will be different. Boys and girls will be taught to shoot grenade launchers, to jump from helicopters, to besiege villages and cities, to skin sheep and pigs, to cook good hot food and to write poetry.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:28 pm

some other thoughts

the chinese communists were ruthlessly ridding the country of potential rivals from the moment they came into power in '49. the cultural revolution, mainly a cynical power grap by mao, involved mobilizing the youth, letting them loose on society under the pretext of direct democracy. many of the most sadistic and needlessly cruel red guards were students at the country's most prestigious universities. from the new-privileged class, they savagely beat their teachers, often to death, and as always the case with SJWism, they eventually turned on each other leading to factional teenage warfare across the nation.

more people were snuffed within beijing's foreign languages press department than the norwegian black metal scene, the thrill-killing within the dept was so extreme that zhou enlai, china's premier at the time had to intervene. after red guard mania had subsided, friends/relatives of the dead and their murderers were then required to resume working side by side in the same offices.

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yass queen slay

some familiar aspects of communist china:

a new hierarchy based on previous oppression - the oppressed are elevated to the highest positions regardless of ability. no matter how repressive things get, the formerly oppressed are loathe to notice, lest things are reversed and they lose their recently acquired state-endowed status

collective + inherited guilt - you're responsible for the past sins of your ancestors. good luck getting a job or finding a wife/husband if you were born into a bourgeois family, even if by the time were your born your bourgeois family were property-less and on the verge of starving to death.

weaponized underclass - state + fringe versus the center. you have a right (or perhaps obligation) to exact vengeance upon your oppressors, go nuts!

ignorance is bliss - the less you know about the past + the less you've been infected by pre-revolutionary education, the more your opinion matters. others are recommended to shut up and listen! ideological purity trumps technical know-how. better red than expert.

public struggle sessions - everyone is required to take part in the demonization and humiliation of the thought criminal on display, in a communist society it's dangerous not to clap

snitch culture - best to accuse someone of a thought crime before people start thinking of accusing you!

etc. there's likely plenty more but i'm bedridden with the flu and there's a good chance these posts are partially nonsensical


to conclude for now i'll link to a blog post titled Biological Leninism, which may provide some more angles of discussion

https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017 ... -leninism/

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:42 pm

Assad - pfffft - small potatoes - he's not drowning babies in buckets of water - now here's a REAL dictator we can all get behind :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... hael-chant

In a small, nondescript room, two pristine photos have been ceremoniously hung up on a red-draped screen: one, of the eternal president Kim Il-sung, the other of the dear leader Kim Jong-il. But this is not Pyongyang. It’s a monthly London meet-up of British groups who support the North Korean regime, and speaking this week is the DPRK ambassador to Britain, and the secretary of Friends of Korea, Michael Chant.

A long time communist and composer of music, Chant holds the post of general secretary for the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist). Like all of his cohorts, the 70-year-old has no Korean family connections, but found an affinity with the politics and ideals of the regime in the late 1970s.

Speaking on Skype a few months after the meeting, Chant explains that the purpose of the network is to counter the “slanderous propaganda” depicting the DPRK as a “dictatorship”. The network – which includes the Juche Idea Study Group of England, the UK Korean Friendship Association, and several communist parties – meets regularly to read revolutionary speeches, watch North Korean films and send messages of solidarity to the North Korean government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... hael-chant

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:14 pm

there's something quaint about those kind of communist eccentrics. there used to be a friends of albania club in london called "the albania society" during the hoxha years, fronted by the very appropriately named bill bland. it's probably the same bunch of wooly old gents, or what remains of them, involved in this one too. god bless 'em i say!

i'm reminded of the bit in theodore dalrymple's iron curtain travelogue about his time in north korea alongside some british communist true believers. some excerpts:
At our first meal a young woman of clearly middle class origin, who wore only black shapeless clothes and had owlish round spectacles, startled everyone by announcing that she was always shocked how left-wing people, who called themselves caring, could eat meat. She was a person of very definite opinions, including a rather poor one of the male sex in general: when she signed her name, she appended a cross to the o it contained, to turn it into the biological symbol for female. Her reproach was of limited effect, though; for many of our ‘delegation’ were not the kind of people to wax sentimental over the fate of dumb beasts. They were hard-faced communists, who dressed tough and cut their hair short so that their heads should appear as bony as possible. I overheard one of them describing a demonstration he had attended in England, in which there had also been a member of Amnesty International with a placard.

‘I went up to him and said, “I don’t believe in that bourgeois shit”, and he said, “Do you think political prisoners should be tortured and killed, then?” “Too fucking right, I do,” I said.’

The person to whom he related this charming little exchange laughed. What I found frightening about the pair of them was that their faces were contorted with hatred even as they laughed, and when they talked of killing political prisoners they meant it. They were members of a little communist group for whom Stalin was a god, not in spite of his crimes but because of them. I wondered what life experience, what temperament, could have given rise to such venom. What splendid torturers and concentration camp commandants they would have made, had they only been given the opportunity.
The leader of our delegation was a journalist on a radical Asian affairs magazine who devoted much of his life to Anglo-North Korean relations which were, of course, of an entirely unofficial nature. Kim Il Sung and Nicolae Ceausescu (not yet fallen from grace) were two of his heroes. A graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies, he was socially inept. His clothes, like those of many intellectuals, were shabby, and he always looked as if he had just been struck by a whirlwind; but unlike some of the communists on the delegation, he was a kind man, incapable of deliberately giving personal offence. Yet for all his kindness, knowledge and intelligence, he had hitched his political wagon to a regime of unspeakable tyranny. During our two weeks in North Korea, he approached one of the women on the delegation and said ‘I’ve been informed by Korean comrades that you were out all last night’. Having transformed himself into the instrument of spies and informers, he was genuinely surprised at the outraged reaction this remark called forth. He used the words ‘Korean comrades’ without irony; he was a true innocent abroad.

Of course, the Koreans treated him – as they treated all other heads of delegation – with great consideration. He was provided with a new Mercedes car and a driver; he was invited to attend meetings that seemed of great moment. He was a genuine idealist, materially unambitious, but still the contrast between the attention he was paid in North Korea and the disregard with which he was treated at home must have impressed itself upon him. What saddened me was the near certainty that in their hearts (and minds) the Koreans would have nothing but contempt for him, using him as a willing dupe and thinking of him as one of Lenin’s ‘useful idiots’. His naivety was appalling, but as a man he was not contemptible. One day he would be ashamed of his attachment to North Korea
We were also taken on visits to schools and hospitals. The Secondary School Number 1 was the institution of its kind that visitors are always taken to see: when I mentioned to a diplomat that I had visited such a school, he said wearily, ‘Ah yes, Secondary School Number 1.’ Its entrance hall is built of marble, the whole building is immaculate and a perfect silence reigns. We were told by the guide that the school was historic because the Great Leader had visited it twice. We were then shown classrooms whose tidiness was almost supernatural, with not so much as a piece of chalk out of place. The blackboards had never been written upon and the blackboard dusters never used (for once used, a blackboard and its duster cannot recover their pristine condition). We were shown laboratories with magnificent new equipment, again never used. Such children as there were in the school – few, considering the size of the building – were elsewhere. The computer laboratory was equipped with the latest Japanese models, but neither the machines themselves nor the furniture showed the slightest sign of use.

‘Only socialism can do this,’ said one of our party with face aglow [ :lol: ], a man who worked for the Soviet news agency in London and was, despite the revelations of glasnost, still a believer. His voice had the catch of religious hysteria in it.

He did not wish to understand the significance of the unused blackboards, of the tidiness that would have satisfied the most obsessional of housewives, of the fact that it took 45 minutes to reach the school via a circuitous route but only 5 minutes to return by the direct route. He did not ask whether the school, even if real, was typical, though if he were shown anything good in his own country would immediately retort that it was exceptional, resorting to a barrage of statistics to prove it. Here critical thought dissolved at the first sight of a marble entrance hall; far from unintelligent, he was a true political pilgrim, precisely the type of willing dupe for whom this preposterous charade was staged. Perhaps in the 1930s there was some slight excuse for intellectuals who were taken in by such a performance, inasmuch as it was then something the world had never previously experienced. But what excuse was there nearly 60 years later for such a fatuous response?

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:13 am

dusty wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:28 pm
some other thoughts

the chinese communists were ruthlessly ridding the country of potential rivals from the moment they came into power in '49. the cultural revolution, mainly a cynical power grap by mao, involved mobilizing the youth, letting them loose on society under the pretext of direct democracy. many of the most sadistic and needlessly cruel red guards were students at the country's most prestigious universities. from the new-privileged class, they savagely beat their teachers, often to death, and as always the case with SJWism, they eventually turned on each other leading to factional teenage warfare across the nation...

You're getting me to question my assertion that our 'silly' SJW's (the ones who birthed the ironic name) cannot really be traced prior to the sixties.

Similar elements are there in what you describe.. youth, student (or studious) status and a position of (relative) privilege, but they were harder times and these were harder people. With the Chinese youth there is a plain endorsement by authority with the backup of raw power if needed, if our silly-SJW have this then it is very shadowy, their fire and drive seems to come from a combination of Liberalism and Marxism (and unexamined ideological religiosity )with a layer of Postmodernism to blur out any contradictions.
This is not to play down the serious effects of their swarming though, they produce edgy and intimidating antifa-wannabes and bike-locking professors. As Serious Sam said... " never underestimate the power of stupid things in large numbers" and I think in "stupid things" we can find some common ground between the Chinese serious SJW's and our 'silly' ones, summed up in the phrase 'useful idiots'.

There is also no hard background to our recent SJW, they are LARPing and are even capable of understanding this if their immersion in Postmodernism doesn't blur everything. This dreamworld can become apparent though, they can watch themselves on Youtube, read many varied criticisms of this from their contemporaries and start to wake up and calm down (although many will experience cult-like 'hangovers' that will persist). The Chinese Youth will be neck deep in the results of their actions for some time to come, maybe forever.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:56 am

If I was asked to come with a single word to describe a difference between our present-day SJW's and those scarier Chinese younsgsters, I would offer the word decadence. This doesn't really apply to the individuals but, as young people, it's a reflection of the society (and strata of that society) that they grew up in.. also a reflection of the education system.

Only a decadent society would produce such sustained LARPing in large numbers, and where their idiocy is largely tolerated and even encouraged by those who have managed to nurture this mindset into adulthood.. I think the 'youthful folly' phase of SJWism is coming to an end though, but it's not going to go away and it will move onto a darker phase, where resentment of the rejection of their beauteous idealism will linger and a doubling down on what is vaguely known as 'activism' will ensue.

I've stumbled upon what could be regarded as a manual for this new embittered SJW. I would have put this in the 'Evergreen' thread but Benjamin Boyce has moved onto examining other colleges too (eg Laurier) and so could be said to be chronicling the evolution of SJWism in general, ie, it fits here.
I'm not sure, but I suspect that 'Disorientation' probably used to be the standard light-hearted take on student life that will be produced in many institutions, mainly aimed at freshmen but I suspect serves to bolster those who have been around a bit longer. If it ever was that then it is no longer, now it seems to be an embittered collection of standard oppression themes gone over again and again until hopfeully a seed of proto-resentment is at least sown in the minds of new students. This is the doubling down on last year's 'Lord of the Flies' dress rehearsal I mentioned elsewhere and, if there is any reflection or regret, it's being played down.
Boyce goes through this year's 'Disorientation' here:



(The title might be considered an unusually open declaration of the intentions of Postmodernist education, those students who maintain a wakeful state throughout their course will be informed that they have nothing to complain about.. that the nature of their education was actually handed to them in written form at the outset of the course.. let the buyer beware!)

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:01 pm

Jordan Peterson sounds a little deranged

This is one moment that made me laugh in this interview, but it's true too, he does sound passionate and fired up about things that seem improbable and alien to the world of academia. To those unaware he might sound deranged, I like his deadpan expression when informed of this.

After and around this point it is sort of amusing to listen to the semi-incredulity (disorientation?) of the two professors he is talking with, even though it is their own investigations that have led them there. This interview represents a slightly different perspective on the SJW phenomenon from some fairly objective commentators who seem to feel that it has snuck up on them and now is entrenched.



It's a good interview in general and worth watching in full.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:49 pm

The Left-Wing Cannibal Holocaust
by David Cole

January 02, 2018

Her name was Nari and she was the tallest Korean girl I’d ever seen. Six foot, at least. It was 1996 and we were on our second date when she started talking politics. Naturally, I assumed she’d be leftist. She was a student at UCLA…’nuff said. But I wasn’t prepared for just how leftist she was. “I plan to devote my life to hegemony,” she told me over dinner. I asked her what she meant by that. “At school they call me ‘Red Emma,’ after Emma Goldman. But I’m far more radical than she was. She believed in free expression, the right of the oppressed to find their own voice. That’s a mistake. We need hegemony. One party, and one set of ideas, enforced vigorously, with swift action taken against any non-hegemonic thoughts or expressions. Everyone needs to be in lockstep, or we can’t move forward.”

I’d grown up surrounded by leftists, mostly Jewish, and almost all cut from the Emma Goldman cloth. In other words, people who at least paid lip service to the notion of free thought and expression. I’d never before encountered someone who I could so clearly envision running a Stalinist gulag or a Maoist reeducation center. Someone who wanted to enforce “thought hegemony,” and who wanted to visit that nightmare upon not just the ruling class, but the “oppressed” as well. And it startled me how quick she was to brag about it.

These days, Nari is a degreed academic (of course) who runs a think tank at a major U.S. university. I don’t know if she’s still battling for her beloved hegemony, but I do know that the ideas she espoused that night have steadily grown in popularity among American leftists.

http://takimag.com/article/the_left_win ... z545GGdovU

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