How Fucked is the Occult?

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Re: How Fucked is the Occult?

Post by jakell » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:11 am

Pauli137 wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:48 pm
semper occultus wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:09 pm
https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Chur ... shion-show

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... -Week.html

A London church has apologised for hosting a satanic fashion show.

St Andrew's Church in Holborn received criticism after it offered up its building as part of London fashion week on Monday evening.

The Anglican church's alter was transformed into a runway for models wearing inverted crosses, devil horns and vampire costumes to walk down in Turkish designer Dilara Findikoglu's Spring/Summer 2018 collection.
I saw that last week when Kevin Flaherty posted it to his site. I could excuse this as advanced trolling, except ... why do this in a church? That seems especially in-your-face. If St. Andrew's knew it was simply a troll, why allow them to use the space? Instead -- and this impression is based on knowledge that satan-worship does exist within both the Anglican and Catholic churches -- they are engaging in a variation of Revelation of the Method?
If this was a 'Church of England' church, then I would place this under their general desire to be fluffy and inclusive, seeing no real harm in allowing what they perceive to be playfully rebellious expressions as they are all of God and lead back to God. they'd probably allow Islamic incursion too but the Muslims all have their own mosques by now and don't feel a great need to integrate apart form the occasional symbolic gesture (usually following a terrorist attack).

As it's a Catholic church though, I'd expect them to be a bit more switched on and their motivation could be as you said above. There is still the possibility though that the relevant authorities have become as dimwitted as their COE counterparts due to falling popularity and are looking for an edgy (and more youthful) alternative to bingo.

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Re: How Fucked is the Occult?

Post by semper occultus » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:35 pm

the Cat-oholics were pretty down on Freemasonry let alone the devil worshipping stuff

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Re: How Fucked is the Occult?

Post by semper occultus » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:49 am

Boom time for fortune-tellers and tarot card readers in Italy as economic crisis bites

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... ic-crisis/

Italy's grinding economic crisis has created a boom time for the country's soothsayers, tarot card readers and fortune-tellers, a report has revealed.
With high unemployment and a largely moribund economy, more and more people are seeking solace from the esoteric and the occult.

The number of faith healers and fortune-tellers has risen five times since the global economic crisis began a decade ago, according to Codacons, Italy's national consumer organisation. The sector is now worth an estimated eight billion euros a year, with the vast majority of the country’s 155,000 practitioners demanding cash in hand and not declaring their earnings to the tax authorities. While most practitioners ask for money for their services, others are demanding sexual favours from their most vulnerable clients.

Around 13 million Italians – about a quarter of the adult population – regularly visit astrologers, fortune-tellers and tarot card readers, three million more than in 2001, an investigation by Codacons found.

“The main factor driving the increase in the number of Italians going to fortune-tellers, card readers and gurus is, without doubt, the economic crisis,” Codacons said in a report. The Italian economy remains stubbornly in the doldrums, with an overall unemployment rate of 11 per cent. The jobless rate for young people is much worse, at around 35 per cent.

“Deep uncertainty about the future, the difficult in finding work, economic problems and the hope of resolving personal situations has driven a growing number of Italians to look for answers in tarot card reading, paid-for horoscopes and magic,” the report said. “They end up in the hands of unscrupulous people who profit from their fragility and their difficulties.”

The Catholic Church has warned that the growing interest in tarot cards and fortune-telling can lead some people to dabble in the dark side of the occult, with some needing exorcisms to rid them of evil. A decline in faith has led to people resorting to "pagan activities", such as using Ouija boards to summon the dead.

The Vatican said last year that a rise in the number of people dabbling in Satanism and the occult is fueling a demand for more exorcists on both sides of the Atlantic.

“The number of people who take part in occult and satanic practices, which lead to serious physical, psychological and spiritual damages, is constantly rising,” said Valter Cascioli, a psychologist and scientific consultant to the International Association of Exorcists, which is endorsed by the Vatican. “The lack of exorcists is a real emergency. There is a pastoral emergency as a result of a significant increase in the number of diabolical possessions that exorcist priests are confronting,” he told La Stampa newspaper.

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Re: How Fucked is the Occult?

Post by jakell » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:26 pm

Valter Cascioli seems to be bypassing the usual caution that the Catholic Church adopts in identifiying "diabolical possessions" in claiming an epidemic.

The Vatican itself is using more cautious language such as a demand for exorcists, and "serious psychological, spiritual and emotional damage".. 'spiritual' being a suitably vague term.
Many won't see much difference though.

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