Tracing the roots of the SJW

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Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:02 pm

a thread for highlighting parallels between the social justice warrior and their antecedents

the maoists had their big character posters, designed for denouncing enemies of the state and instigating attacks on neighbors, coworkers, even family members. we have 280 character tweets.

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my mandarin is shaky but i'm fairly sure the biggest poster there says something about punching TERFs

a recent twitter trend i've noticed is signalling your antifascist principles by retweeting copypasta about shooting "nazis" - punching is so 2016

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the original creator of this powerful revolutionary mantra, i can't remember their username, was given a temporary ban and forced to remove the tweet by the white supremacists in charge of twitter. fortunately many comrades, in defiance of twitter's decision, have made sure the message has been spread far and wide

Since retweeting that, Nick, who identifies as a left-libertarian(!) has had his own run-in with the authorities:

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it seems like violence-obsessed marxist-leninists ( :lol: ) have replaced the void left by their now long since banned hitlerist pepe rivals

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:44 pm

I was contemplating something like this myself, so well done for getting the ball rolling.

I sort of have a different take on the SJW term. As 'warrior' here is rather scathing and sarcastic, I take it to represent the screeching emotional college types of whom there are plenty of examples on Youtube, Trigglypuff being a decent catch all representation. You seem to be taking it in a more serious direction though by going back further in time and probably correctly too, our recent silly SJW's are a result of our age of security, abundance, extended childhood and probably Postmodernism, but there's got to be more to it than that.. a darker side.

in a few posts here I've been commenting on that darker side, and identified the Evergreen situation as an example of the tipping point where "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Benjamin Boyce has been doing good analysis on Evergreen and remarked on how some of the student huddles there were looking a lot like the Maoist 'Struggle Sessions', looking for history repeating itself is one way of understanding our less conscious behaviours.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm

re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists

e,g, from the British communist Morning Star :

http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-95d8-W ... im3AUpl-Un

Many women now feel they are facing a purge for committing thought crime. Sadly, this phenomenon is not just limited to the Labour Party — it now affects most of the “progressive” left.

As a feminist campaigner of many years, I know women who work in organisations from across the domestic and sexual violence sector; many are scared to openly raise questions about gender identity theory. Doing so could lose them their jobs, or worse, jeopardise the minimal funding that charities they work for depend upon.


in terms of the "roots" this post is qi from a tumblr called communistroader that I can't seem to get a link to

Anonymous asked:
Can you talk more about how transgenderism is part of the ruling class agenda? I'm really interested but I don't quite understand! Or if there are any articles I can read!

communistroader answered:
Sure! To get started there’s this video where they discuss the amount of funding the trans lobby has accrued in a very short time. And there’s this post by Miranda Yardley. He touches on the rich autogynephiles in positions of power in trans lobby organizations, and how these same organizations get millions of $$$ in bourgeois patronage from Starbucks, Apple, NBC, etc. Here’s another blogger who noticed how much elite support transgenderism has received.
Wealthy white men are at the top of the trans lobby. Magdalen Berns even responded to a VICE video which gave a glimpse of how many rich autogynephiles live in New York. Spoiler: there’s a lot. Not only do they tend to be wealthy, but they were inundated in strict conservatism growing up, so they tend to gravitate to a wholly stereotyped vision of “womanhood” that looks like it came out of the 50s. Unsurprisingly, their foray into transgenderism is always sexually charged and there’s at least an implied fetish element. So transgenderism is under the ideological leadership of the world’s least oppressed people.
Transgenderism accomplishes a ton of bourgeois goals all at once. It promotes woman-hatred. It is obliterating the concept of womanhood in popular discourse. It is completely destroying feminism through a divide-and-rule strategy; liberal feminists are employed as flying monkeys and radical feminists are subjected to extreme censorship and violence. It is an automatic backlash against the meager gains for LGB rights in the past couple decades; it has rebranded conversion therapy as progressive; it has declared lesbianism transphobic; and it has introduced “gender identity” into anti-discrimination laws, which completely nullifies protections on the basis of sex and sexual orientation. It has given privileged white men an oppressed card, which has completely slowed down the black liberation movement and the socialist movement, as both these movements try to reconcile fighting for the oppressed while obeying the whim of whiny narcissists. It helps spread imperialism when it starts getting exported into the third world and picks up “culturally specific genders” as its pawns.
It’s also extremely profitable.
At the base of transgenderism are some utterly reactionary philosophical assumptions. Transgenderism is idealist, meaning it elevates the mind and subjective feeling above material reality. It is mechanical, meaning it encourages the view that reality is made up of frozen parts, instead of the dialectical view that reality is a dynamic whole. In practice it relies on sophistry and fascist violence. Of course it hasn’t introduced these ways of thinking into capitalist society, but it is fundamentally a product of these ways of thinking.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:31 am

semper occultus wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm
re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists
I'm not sure that weaponised quite describes it, it is pretty toxic though and it could be employed as a weapon by opponents with cool heads (which tend to be in short supply in day-to-day politics, but not in deeper politics).

When it emerged around 2015 as the latest addition to the intersectionality** stable, it struck me as an experiment, something different to the more organic issues of race, sex and sexuality, and where there is an experiment, there will be an experimenter, and thus I was playing with conspiracy themes, something coming from outside of the Left.
It is possible that sheer arrogance and foolishness made them think they (Marxists) could invent any new ingredient and throw it into the mix, in which case they deserve to be hoist by their own petard. If his was unexpected though, the enthusiasm shown towards this exotic idea leaves me with little sympathy for them.

** intersectionality has eventually brought its own problems though, but it's been a slower burn. It was a help to the Marxist occupation of academia for a couple of decades but has ended up actually boosting identity politics and therefore creating contradictions within the Left. Elsewhere I have mused that one of the causes of the fear and hysteria that are classic SJW (the silly ones) symptoms are actually down to this ideological dissonance.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by BigEyeTenor » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:42 am

My first exposure to SJW's was when my son, probably 12 - 13 at the time, showed me on Instagram. The thing is, the most voiciferous and obnoxious of them were the same age. I think a lot of people forget that that obnoxious pushy idiot on social media might just be a damn kid. A child who gets off on being able to discard normal social boundaries on the internet.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:19 am

BigEyeTenor wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:42 am
My first exposure to SJW's was when my son, probably 12 - 13 at the time, showed me on Instagram. The thing is, the most voiciferous and obnoxious of them were the same age. I think a lot of people forget that that obnoxious pushy idiot on social media might just be a damn kid. A child who gets off on being able to discard normal social boundaries on the internet.
It seems we agree on the terminology here then.. 'SJW' represents the emotionally and ideologically confused youngsters (with a few older exceptions) who have acted this out on camera for all the world to see. I think these are entirely a recent phenomenon that can be traced back as far as the sixties but not really any further.
I think that the advent of the internet and ultra-portable video technology has made the difference here. On one hand it can be regarded as a cruel lens that has opened up personal moments of dissonance to the ridicule of the wider world, but I think it has been a net positive for the silly sods, they have been presented with evidence of their own buffoonery and idoleological incoherence, played repeatedly and edited mercilessly, and a number will be reconsidering the way they present themselves (modification of behaviour hopefully leading to modification of one's inner world too)
In the sixties there wasn't really anything like this, therefore personal protest came to be played out in the broader and gentler arena of 'lifestyle'.

I think Dusty has it right though, there is a serious element behind SJW's that extends further back and to this end I've been looking at groups like BAMN and the Revolutionary Communists (Sunsara Taylor's Berkeley chapter being the most visible), I would tentatively include a layer of academics too but we're not going to see them so much on the frontlines - Eric Clanton and Melissa Click being exceptions.
I would differentiate these by calling them SJE's (social justice enthusiasts), they aren't going to put their bodies on the line but will operate by manipulation (whilst possibly being manipulated themselves).


ETA: I tend to use 'enthusiast' in a-tongue-in-cheek fashion, but as understatement (as opposed to 'warrior', which is hyperbolic). I'm really suggesting towards something approaching an obsession.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by deep state » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:55 pm

narcissism has many faces and naturally adopts disguises in order to avoid having its bubble burst by reality

and a primary symptom of narcissism is the attempt to remold the world in one's own image

the SJW (as well as trans) seems to stem from people who don't care about the issues per se but only about finding a cause that will give them sufficient moral clout (self-righteounsess) to push themselves onto the world/the other, and so leaves traces of their sticky desperate faces everywhere they go.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:10 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:24 pm
re the whole trans-gender stuff then as you allude to in your post what is so notable ( & not a little ironic ) is how it has been weaponised against other elements of the left - not just feminists but - as noted below materialists vs po-mo idealists
I addressed this first part above about how transgender "stuff" may be a weapon, but that who is weaponising it is not clear - for that implies an actor who can possibly be discovered.
e,g, from the British communist Morning Star :

http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-95d8-W ... im3AUpl-Un

Many women now feel they are facing a purge for committing thought crime. Sadly, this phenomenon is not just limited to the Labour Party — it now affects most of the “progressive” left.

As a feminist campaigner of many years, I know women who work in organisations from across the domestic and sexual violence sector; many are scared to openly raise questions about gender identity theory. Doing so could lose them their jobs, or worse, jeopardise the minimal funding that charities they work for depend upon.


in terms of the "roots" this post is qi from a tumblr called communistroader that I can't seem to get a link to

Anonymous asked:
Can you talk more about how transgenderism is part of the ruling class agenda? I'm really interested but I don't quite understand! Or if there are any articles I can read!

communistroader answered:
Sure! To get started there’s this video where they discuss the amount of funding the trans lobby has accrued in a very short time. And there’s this post by Miranda Yardley. He touches on the rich autogynephiles in positions of power in trans lobby organizations, and how these same organizations get millions of $$$ in bourgeois patronage from Starbucks, Apple, NBC, etc. Here’s another blogger who noticed how much elite support transgenderism has received.
Wealthy white men are at the top of the trans lobby. Magdalen Berns even responded to a VICE video which gave a glimpse of how many rich autogynephiles live in New York. Spoiler: there’s a lot. Not only do they tend to be wealthy, but they were inundated in strict conservatism growing up, so they tend to gravitate to a wholly stereotyped vision of “womanhood” that looks like it came out of the 50s. Unsurprisingly, their foray into transgenderism is always sexually charged and there’s at least an implied fetish element. So transgenderism is under the ideological leadership of the world’s least oppressed people.
Transgenderism accomplishes a ton of bourgeois goals all at once. It promotes woman-hatred. It is obliterating the concept of womanhood in popular discourse. It is completely destroying feminism through a divide-and-rule strategy; liberal feminists are employed as flying monkeys and radical feminists are subjected to extreme censorship and violence. It is an automatic backlash against the meager gains for LGB rights in the past couple decades; it has rebranded conversion therapy as progressive; it has declared lesbianism transphobic; and it has introduced “gender identity” into anti-discrimination laws, which completely nullifies protections on the basis of sex and sexual orientation. It has given privileged white men an oppressed card, which has completely slowed down the black liberation movement and the socialist movement, as both these movements try to reconcile fighting for the oppressed while obeying the whim of whiny narcissists. It helps spread imperialism when it starts getting exported into the third world and picks up “culturally specific genders” as its pawns.
It’s also extremely profitable.
At the base of transgenderism are some utterly reactionary philosophical assumptions. Transgenderism is idealist, meaning it elevates the mind and subjective feeling above material reality. It is mechanical, meaning it encourages the view that reality is made up of frozen parts, instead of the dialectical view that reality is a dynamic whole. In practice it relies on sophistry and fascist violence. Of course it hasn’t introduced these ways of thinking into capitalist society, but it is fundamentally a product of these ways of thinking.
I'd usually disregard the reactions of Communists as they are often predictable and here they predictably make the opening move of making an '-ism'** out of the word. Following on from that though I sort of admire that they are taking a stand on it, as opposed to most of the Left who regard it as a harmless oddity that can be added to the intersectionality stable. Here they seem to be saying "Feminism yes!... Transgenderism No!"
Their analysis seems to be fairly unimaginative though, using their traditional boogeymen of the ruling classes and capitalism etc. It's quite amusing that they claim that Trangenderism is ruining Feminism when arguably that happened quite a while back with the advent of Third Wave Feminism making it a largely academic concern. The Communists would probably call this a vanguard, but it's certainly not grass-roots.

So, it seems even the Communists regard this as coming from outside of the Left, and I would agree with them to the extent that it seems external to political 'business as usual'. We're talking of something hazy here though, the realm of conspiracy theory, the usual suspect is what some would might call the Deep State, although other boogeymen can be fitted in there depending on the viewer (some rightists would say 'Cultural Marxism'.)


** My own instinct is to go beyond the standard 'isms' to the future-loving Tranhumanism and here I'm also I'm talking of religious sensibilities and yearnings, not just the biological sci-fi that is more readily associated with it.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:36 pm

afaik some of the older generation of leftists were pretty luke-warm about the LGB agenda - even before the T got added - regarding it - correctly I'd say - in not dissimilar terms as distracting attention away from "class" & becoming a band-wagon jumped on by sharp-elbowed middle class people to get access to funding for groups, public sector careers or a leg up the capitalist ladder generally

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:22 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:36 pm
afaik some of the older generation of leftists were pretty luke-warm about the LGB agenda - even before the T got added - regarding it - correctly I'd say - in not dissimilar terms as distracting attention away from "class" & becoming a band-wagon jumped on by sharp-elbowed middle class people to get access to funding for groups, public sector careers or a leg up the capitalist ladder generally
I wasn't paying much attention back then but Jordan Peterson relates this transition quite well, along with the reasons behind it. He has some extremely salty (and entertaining) diatribes concerning Foucault and Derrida and Postmodernism in general

He traces it back to the late sixties when it became embarrasing for certain academics to maintain their attachment to Marxism due to Communism's very public and bloody failures. The traditional dynamic of Marxism is class oppression and it had worked very well for them, but if an an academic was to look the part it was probably time to up their game and find some new spicy ingredients.. enter, via the route of intersectionaliy, racial oppression, gender oppression and as the years pass we could add age/disabilty/sexuality, right up to trangenderism.
This has been a pretty good gig up until recently but I think it is coming back to bite them as it has created instances of identity politics within the Left that don't sit too well there.. they were meant to be getting rid of that sort of thing.

I can imagine that some of the old guard weren't too happy about this but in the face of energetic youth movements and civil rights causes they would have looked pretty dried-up.



Peterson is rarely dry when he talks of these matters, some might say he's a bit too animated (for a 'prof') but it seems that many, me included, appreciate his passion.

" ...Foucault and Derrida regarded each other as intellectual Charlatans which was about the only thing either of them was ever really correct about"


ETA: Here's the whole lecture BTW, there are a lot of Peterson 'shorts' around but I think each should provide a link to the original. Note, in the section he does use the term SJW, very likely in full knowledge that it is imprecise but also knowing that one has to be imprecise now and again. I feel motivated to rewatch the lecture now.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:09 pm

I think the Morning Star people are what they call "tankies" on the internet, those stubborn old school socialists on the fringes (and on the labour front bench) that still uphold the big lie about bumper harvests, and dismiss mass starvation rumors as bourgeois slander. Like TERFs, and according to Twitter there is some crossover between the two, the tankies are right about a few things, despite otherwise being completely insane, and tend to reject the newer marxoid mutations that downplay class, as mentioned above. After all, in the Soviet Union, within their mandatory Marxist-Leninist indoctination lessons attended by both students and workers, the Frankfurt School was denounced as western subversion.

Earlier in the year I ended up watching the CPGB-ML's material on youtube, and was heartened by their pro-Brexit stance. The CPGB-ML, ML as in Marxist-Leninist, are a splinter group of the original Communist Party of Great Britain affiliated with the Morning Star paper. Pretty nice guys... their focus on class and anti-war activism is a refreshing change from the mass psychosis of the campus crybabies, just don't mention Trotsky in front of them! From what i can tell the extremist form of socialism most popular with the millennial crowd is third world-maoism (see J.Sakai). The simplistic third world vs first world dichotomy is catnip to a lot of modern leftists, and can easily be incorporated into their newfangled upside down racist antiracism.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:07 am

dusty wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:09 pm
I think the Morning Star people are what they call "tankies" on the internet, those stubborn old school socialists on the fringes (and on the labour front bench) that still uphold the big lie about bumper harvests, and dismiss mass starvation rumors as bourgeois slander. Like TERFs, and according to Twitter there is some crossover between the two, the tankies are right about a few things, despite otherwise being completely insane, and tend to reject the newer marxoid mutations that downplay class, as mentioned above. After all, in the Soviet Union, within their mandatory Marxist-Leninist indoctination lessons attended by both students and workers, the Frankfurt School was denounced as western subversion.
I stopped paying attention to these people quite a while back, thinking they would simply fade away in the face of Marxism's more energetic mutations. I reckon they may be worth a fresh look though.. tenacity counts, especially when pitted against things that can overshoot and burn themselves out, so thanks for the new avenue of interest. I don't think they can be classed as the origin of the SJW's but may represent a fallback position for them, even if it does look pretty dull and uninspiring.
I know it's often too tempting to look for symmetries, but I do, and here I would hold them up against nationalism. Ethnonationalism is the hardline old style that was commonly understood (National Front for instance), and it's only relatively recently that Civic Nationalism has been formulated - something that is more attractive to those of a milder nationalist bent - in recent terms this pans out to be Alt Right vs alt-lite. Talking of the Alt Right, I've heard mentions of 'Natbols' from them lately (National Bolshevik's maybe?) in relation to communism, I think I'll check this out too

Earlier in the year I ended up watching the CPGB-ML's material on youtube, and was heartened by their pro-Brexit stance. The CPGB-ML, ML as in Marxist-Leninist, are a splinter group of the original Communist Party of Great Britain affiliated with the Morning Star paper. Pretty nice guys... their focus on class and anti-war activism is a refreshing change from the mass psychosis of the campus crybabies, just don't mention Trotsky in front of them! From what i can tell the extremist form of socialism most popular with the millennial crowd is third world-maoism (see J.Sakai). The simplistic third world vs first world dichotomy is catnip to a lot of modern leftists, and can easily be incorporated into their newfangled upside down racist antiracism.
I sort of know what you mean by "a refreshing change", they are strange bedfellows though. I'm unclear on their attitude to SJW's and, if we are irritated by them, then I would expect these guys to really resent them, if they do though I haven't seen the resultant fireworks so maybe they are patient and philosophical as well as tenacious

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