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The Jordan Peterson Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:36 pm
by deep state
I thought it better to start a new thread, even tho there is also one with the more general subject, Is it Safe to Speak?.

I have spent the last few weeks listening to every available JBP online lecture (not counting the repeats) as part of my latest writing project, which is becoming more and more of a exposé of social engineering, oh shit, and I really like(d) the guy too.

Couple of videos to introduce my position so far. I will any and all appreciate feedback on this - RI used to be my sounding board for developing ideas, and we know how that's "evolved.":

Re: The Jordan Peterson Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:31 pm
by C_D
A few random thoughts, after watching your introduction - but obviously, I see the world quite differently to yourself, so forgive me if I seem obtuse -

I start from the assumed position of balanced reality;

What is the opposite of trauma? The exact opposite of trauma is as effective at reaching 'the inner', with no suffering. In fact, it is pleasurable. (Assuming you do not enjoy trauma, in and of itself).

Actually, I had further comments and questions, but I find myself so far outside of conventional thinking that unless you have a very basic grasp of the concept of 3state - the 'in-between' state that serves as a switching reference point for our binary reality - there is little point in me continuing to waffle on. I see things very differently now - and most of my thoughts will make little sense.

What are you looking for, deep? What is it you are seeking?

Re: The Jordan Peterson Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:23 pm
by deep state
Currently seeking to participate in a discussion about JBP. Hence the thread. ^emo*

Re: The Jordan Peterson Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:35 pm
by semper occultus
seems like his message is really aimed at trying to interfere with or jam the ideological signal being broadcast into the regiments of David Hogg style weaponised kids being turned out by "universities" as covered in the SJW thread. Er kid - really you know fuck-all about fuck-all & your certainty as to your virtue & righteousness is in inverse proportion to your real world experience or perspective so don't seriously think you've got the low down on multi-facteted intractable social issues.

Not particularly earth-shattering - or at least it shouldn't be. Some kids obviously seem to feel wonderfully liberated by it. The fact he has caused the level of acrimony & controversy says more about the ideological mono-culture he discusses with Jonathan Haidt ( the only long JP video I've watched apart form the Russel Brand one :roll: ) in which he basically concedes the battle for ideological diversity has been pretty much lost at alot of institutions inside which no "neutral" let alone conservative academic can any longer function so they need to be allowed to do their thing brand themselves as SJW universities whilst other universities have to be set up & operate in parallel.

Re: The Jordan Peterson Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:11 pm
by deep state
Jordan Peterson on social hierarchies:
"Most of the hierarchies we have are hierarchies of competence. You know, you don't get to the top by being brutal and tyrannical; that just doesn't work, except in rare circumstances and it doesn't work for very long."
Q: What do you think about this theory that sociopaths rise to the top?
Q: You don't buy that?
"No. Well I know it's not true. I've actually studied sociopathy and Psychopaths psychopathy a lot. Psychopaths are generally not very successful" (Interesting) "Well it's partly because they see they say you can fool some of the people some of the time and so forth, right, well the thing about psychopaths is that they betray people and people really remember betrayal and it doesn't take much betrayal to have your reputation seriously damaged and word gets around fast. So psychopaths, the real psychopaths, they have to move around; they need new victims all the time, and so you know, Pete, I'm not saying that there aren't crooked people who rise to the top in certain organizations. That happens; but it's not a stable solution, and it's more rare than you think. [T]here is corruption in every system, but . . . the best way to succeed in modern Western culture is to be intelligent and conscientious, those are the best predictors. And conscientious people are generally quite trustworthy."