Tracing the roots of the SJW

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:25 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:49 pm
The Left-Wing Cannibal Holocaust
by David Cole

January 02, 2018

Her name was Nari and she was the tallest Korean girl I’d ever seen. Six foot, at least. It was 1996 and we were on our second date when she started talking politics. Naturally, I assumed she’d be leftist. She was a student at UCLA…’nuff said. But I wasn’t prepared for just how leftist she was. “I plan to devote my life to hegemony,” she told me over dinner. I asked her what she meant by that. “At school they call me ‘Red Emma,’ after Emma Goldman. But I’m far more radical than she was. She believed in free expression, the right of the oppressed to find their own voice. That’s a mistake. We need hegemony. One party, and one set of ideas, enforced vigorously, with swift action taken against any non-hegemonic thoughts or expressions. Everyone needs to be in lockstep, or we can’t move forward.”

I’d grown up surrounded by leftists, mostly Jewish, and almost all cut from the Emma Goldman cloth. In other words, people who at least paid lip service to the notion of free thought and expression. I’d never before encountered someone who I could so clearly envision running a Stalinist gulag or a Maoist reeducation center. Someone who wanted to enforce “thought hegemony,” and who wanted to visit that nightmare upon not just the ruling class, but the “oppressed” as well. And it startled me how quick she was to brag about it.

These days, Nari is a degreed academic (of course) who runs a think tank at a major U.S. university. I don’t know if she’s still battling for her beloved hegemony, but I do know that the ideas she espoused that night have steadily grown in popularity among American leftists.

http://takimag.com/article/the_left_win ... z545GGdovU

Wow.. I thought the title of that piece might be deliberate hyperbole, your excerpt seems to describe a limited instance, however it seems pretty apt on reading the whole thing, I like "This is not a 2017 recap…this is not a December 2017 recap…this is a second half of December 2017 recap".
I notice that trans-issues, what I consider to be the very latest smart-bomb, don't even get a look in there, these are all relatively traditional Leftist issues, albeit on amphetamines.

It's predictable that the Right will echo the sentiment from the end of the piece "To crib a line from the 2014 Godzilla reboot, “Let them fight.” but this is unlikely to be a perfect storm and there will be a winner, even if everything else is in ashes. We were talking of the old-guard of Socialism/Communism above, the ones who never really bought into the intersectionality interpretations of Marxism, perhaps they will re-emerge and do a "back to basics" thing when this clusterfuck is over.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:14 am

jakell wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:25 pm
We were talking of the old-guard of Socialism/Communism above, the ones who never really bought into the intersectionality interpretations of Marxism, perhaps they will re-emerge and do a "back to basics" thing when this clusterfuck is over.
How does the clusterfuck end?

Stalin stopped the leftward trend in the USSR, but only by having everyone to the left of him shot.
As society moves ever leftwards, ever faster, leftists get ever more discontented with the outcome, but of course, the only cure for their discontent that it is permissible to think, is faster and further movement left.
Leftists win arguments by proving themselves to be to the left of their opponent. I can't see how a leftist group can return to class-based activism, eschewing the focus on "intersectional" issues, without being accused of opposing these groups (the coalition of fringes), of harboring phobias, even hate toward them. "The final stage of socialism isn't Communism. It's cannibalism."

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by jakell » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:30 am

dusty wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:14 am
jakell wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:25 pm
We were talking of the old-guard of Socialism/Communism above, the ones who never really bought into the intersectionality interpretations of Marxism, perhaps they will re-emerge and do a "back to basics" thing when this clusterfuck is over.
How does the clusterfuck end?

Stalin stopped the leftward trend in the USSR, but only by having everyone to the left of him shot.
As society moves ever leftwards, ever faster, leftists get ever more discontented with the outcome, but of course, the only cure for their discontent that it is permissible to think, is faster and further movement left.
Leftists win arguments by proving themselves to be to the left of their opponent. I can't see how a leftist group can return to class-based activism, eschewing the focus on "intersectional" issues, without being accused of opposing these groups (the coalition of fringes), of harboring phobias, even hate toward them. "The final stage of socialism isn't Communism. It's cannibalism."

Hopefully in a relatively bloodless fashion, with the feuding parties expending all their energy on each other and a victor arriving from 'outside'. There is another possibility though, that this rage turns outwards again instead of them wearing each other down, and we get a repeat of the SJW phenomena but not with labile college kids this time, this could be a more serious matter.

An experiment could be performed though, Semper (or one of the pseudonymous members here) could post the Taki article at the Old Place and see what happens. I predict it will be dismissed but if imbibed it could be interesting.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by dusty » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:43 am

jakell wrote: An experiment could be performed though, Semper (or one of the pseudonymous members here) could post the Taki article at the Old Place and see what happens. I predict it will be dismissed but if imbibed it could be interesting.
This'd be posted lickety split.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... evisionist

There are also seven articles vaguely related to Taki's Mag on angrywhitemen.org that'd be copy-pasted in full.

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by semper occultus » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:26 pm

he sounds a bit like a slightly less intellectual David Horowitz, the premier exponent in dissecting & anatomising the extreme left who was a red diaper baby who apostasised from the student revolutionary movememt & became a Reaganite conservative. He spent some time at the LSE in London in the 60's as a doctoral candidate under one Ralph Milliband


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Destructive-Ge ... 183&sr=1-2

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Re: Tracing the roots of the SJW

Post by C_D » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:47 pm

How does the clusterfuck end?
Well now, it just so happens that we are witnessing a major shift against PCism in the UK - or at least, a reaction against the grinding dominion of transgender women (ex-men).

I watch Celebrity Big Brother. There, I said it. I have admitted it. But the reason I watch it is this: I had a problem with my TV channels going pixelated a few years ago and was talking to a technician at Virgin Media about the problem. He quite innocently explained to me that Channel 5 TV in the UK is very difficult for them to have any impact on whatsoever regarding signal strength, problems with transmission, sound quality issues etc because Channel 5 is transmitted into the UK from America. It is the only TV channel in the UK that is compiled, edited and scheduled in a foreign nation. It comes into the UK unfiltered, without regard to UK sensisbilities.

This piqued my interest. It sounds like American propoganda

What kind of shows would Channel 5 be promoting?

Celebrity Big Brother is Channel 5's flagship show. Over recent years, it has focussed on tackling (or should that be imprinting) social issues by mixing together a 'diverse' set of people. This year, in the series running right now, a transgender woman called 'India' was introduced as a typical male to female transition - and boy, has it been a mistake. Immediately, 'India' began by winding up all the females in the house (they put 8 ladies in alone with no males for the first few days) because 'she' is nothing, nothing at all like a female. By the time the males were introduced, the strong female housemates were gagging for the light relief of male company. On their arrival, 'India' took a fancy to one of the males - a gentleman by the name of Genuwine - and immediately began blackmailing him with cries of - don't you find me attractive? and if you don't find me attractive, you have transgenderphobia! You are an ist ! What this unfortunate individual fails to comprehend is that having your testicles and penis cut off and replaced with a hole where they used to be does not make you a woman and especially - neither does it make you universally attractive to the opposite sex.

here's a couple of clips of the females trying (very respectfully, I might add) to placate India:





So anyway, India was voted out - not only by the housemates, getting a huge proportion of the eviction votes - but by the public vote, toute suite. First out.

Now, normally the panto villain is to be booed by the crowd waiting outside the CBB house, but in India's case, they were curiously quiet. Too quiet by half. They had been strictly instructed, I suspect. Regardless of the actuality, the illusion must be maintained. Both the host of the main show, Emma - and the host of the aftershow, Rylan - under instruction, judging by Rylans obvious discomfort - were cringefawningly pleasant to India - as though she was the poor misunderstood victim in all of this - and yet the crowds of both shows remained silent, unable to boo as they wished, yet unable to muster the cheers for this 'plucky lady' that were required of them. It's difficult to fake respect when none exists.

It was a watershed moment, possibly missed or miscomprehended by many. But a watershed moment, nonetheless. The programming is failing. And a backlash is coming.

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Post by semper occultus » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:20 pm

The Sexual Revolution and Children: How the Left Took Things Too Far

http://m.spiegel.de/international/zeitg ... 02679.html

Jan Fleischhauer Friday, 7/2/2010 03:22 PM

In the spring of 1970, Ursula Besser found an unfamiliar briefcase in front of her apartment door. It wasn't that unusual, in those days, for people to leave things at her door or drop smaller items into her letter slot. She was, after all, a member of the Berlin state parliament for the conservative Christian Democrats. Sometimes Besser called the police to examine a suspicious package; she was careful to always apologize to the neighbors for the commotion.

The students had proclaimed a revolution, and Besser, the widow of an officer, belonged to those forces in the city that were sharply opposed to the radical changes of the day. Three years earlier, when she was a newly elected member of the Berlin state parliament, the CDU had appointed Besser, a Ph.D. in philology, to the education committee. She quickly acquired a reputation for being both direct and combative.

The briefcase contained a stack of paper -- the typewritten daily reports on educational work at an after-school center in Berlin's Kreuzberg neighborhood, where up to 15 children aged 8 to 14 were taken care of during the afternoon. The first report was dated Aug. 13, 1969, and the last one was written on Jan. 14, 1970.

Even a cursory review of the material revealed that the educational work at the Rote Freiheit ("Red Freedom") after-school center was unorthodox. The goal of the center was to shape the students into "socialist personalities," and its educational mission went well beyond supervised play. The center's agenda included "agitprop" on the situation in Vietnam and "street fighting," in which the children were divided into "students" and "cops."

Pantomiming Intercourse

The educators' notes indicate that they placed a very strong emphasis on sex education. Almost every day, the students played games that involved taking off their clothes, reading porno magazines together and pantomiming intercourse.

According to the records, a "sex exercise" was conducted on Dec. 11 and a "fucking hour" on Jan. 14. An entry made on Nov. 26 reads: "In general, by lying there we repeatedly provoked, openly or in a hidden way, sexual innuendoes, which were then expressed in pantomimes, which Kurt and Rita performed together on the low table (as a stage) in front of us."

The material introduced the broader public to a byproduct of the student movement for the first time: the sexual liberation of children. Besser passed on the reports to an editor at the West Berlin newspaper Der Abend, who published excerpts of the material. On April 7, 1970, the Berlin state parliament discussed the Rote Freiheit after-school center. As it turned out, the Psychology Institute at the Free University of Berlin was behind the center. In fact, the institute had established the facility and provided the educators who worked there. Besser now believes that it was a concerned employee who dropped off the reports at her door.

A few days later, Besser paid a visit to the Psychology Institute in Berlin's Dahlem neighborhood, "to take a look at the place," as she says. In the basement, Besser found two rooms that were separated by a large, one-way mirror. There was a mattress in one of the rooms, as well as a sink on the wall and a row of colorful washcloths hanging next to it. When asked, an institute employee told Besser that the basement was used as an "observation station" to study sexual behavior in children.

It has since faded into obscurity, but the members of the 1968 movement and their successors were caught up in a strange obsession about childhood sexuality. It is a chapter of the movement's history which is never mentioned in the more glowing accounts of the era. On this issue, the veterans of the late '60s student movement seem to have succumbed to acute amnesia; an analysis of this aspect of the student revolution would certainly be worthwhile.

The Possibility of Sex with Children

In the debate on sexual abuse, one of the elements is confusion as to where the line should be drawn in interactions with children. It is a confusion not limited to the Catholic Church. Indeed, it was precisely in so-called progressive circles that an eroticization of childhood and a gradual lowering of taboos began. It was a shift that even allowed for the possibility of sex with children.

The incidents at the Odenwald School in the western state of Hesse -- a boarding school with no religious affiliation -- showed that there was a connection between calls for reform and the removal of inhibition. The case of Klaus Rainer Röhl, the former publisher of the leftist magazine Konkret, also makes little sense without its historical context. The articles in Konkret that openly advocated sex with minors are at least as disturbing as the accusations of Röhl's daughters Anja and Bettina that he molested them, which Röhl denies.

The left has its own history of abuse, and it is more complicated than it would seem at first glance. When leaders of the student movement of the late 1960s are asked about it, they offer hesitant or evasive answers. "At the core of the movement of 1968, there was in fact a lack of respect for the necessary boundaries between children and adults. The extent to which this endangerment led to abuse cases is unclear," Wolfgang Kraushaar, a political scientist and chronicler of the movement, writes in retrospect.

A lack of respect for boundaries is putting it mildly. One could also say that the boundaries were violently torn open.

Sexual liberation was at the top of the agenda of the young revolutionaries who, in 1967, began turning society upside down. The control of sexual desire was seen as an instrument of domination, which bourgeois society used to uphold its power. Everything that the innovators perceived as wrong and harmful has its origins in this concept: man's aggression, greed and desire to own things, as well as his willingness to submit to authority. The student radicals believed that only those who liberated themselves from sexual repression could be truly free.

'Hostile Treatment of Sexual Pleasure'

To them, it seemed obvious that liberation should begin at an early age. Once sexual inhibitions had taken root, they reasoned, everything that followed was merely the treatment of symptoms. They were convinced that it was much better to prevent those inhibitions from developing in the first place. Hardly any leftist texts of the day did not address the subject of sexuality.

For instance, "Revolution der Erziehung" ("The Revolution in Education"), a work published by Rowohlt in 1971, which quickly became a bestseller, addresses sexuality as follows: "The de-eroticization of family life, from the prohibition of sexual activity among children to the taboo of incest, serves as preparation for total assimilation -- as preparation for the hostile treatment of sexual pleasure in school and voluntary subjugation to a dehumanizing labor system."

Issue 17 of the cultural magazine Kursbuch, published in June 1969, described the revolutionaries' position in practical terms. Published by German author Hans Magnus Enzensberger, the issue contained a report by the members of Commune 2 in Berlin, titled "Educating Children in the Commune." In the summer of 1967, three women and four men moved into an apartment in an old building on Giesebrechtstrasse, together with two small children, a three-year-old girl, Grischa, and a four-year-old boy, Nessim. For the residents, the cohabitation experiment was an attempt to overcome all bourgeois constraints, which included everything from separate bank accounts and closed bathroom doors to fidelity within couples and the development of feelings of shame. The two children were raised by the group, which often meant that no one paid much attention to them. Because the adults had made it their goal to not just "tolerate but in fact affirm child sexuality," they were not satisfied to simply act as passive observers.

The members of this commune also felt compelled to write down their experiences, which explains why some of the incidents that occurred were reliably documented.

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Post by dusty » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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A schism in the #metoo movement

The Atlantic: The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari

NYT: Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader.


I don't know what to make of this...

Interesting that the legacy media felt the need to step in this time and change the discourse

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Post by C_D » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:39 am

dusty:
Interesting that the legacy media felt the need to step in this time and change the discourse
It's looking increasingly like the split will be right down the middle, including some of the msm swinging slightly rightward, to balance things up - ensuring two, evenly-matched, diametricly-opposed factions. Just the way it should be.

I don't know how much more of this the average powerless American can take. They are being seriously fucked with.

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Post by jakell » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:27 pm

C_D wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:39 am
dusty wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:18 pm
Interesting that the legacy media felt the need to step in this time and change the discourse
It's looking increasingly like the split will be right down the middle, including some of the msm swinging slightly rightward, to balance things up - ensuring two, evenly-matched, diametricly-opposed factions. Just the way it should be.

I don't know how much more of this the average powerless American can take. They are being seriously fucked with.
I think the concept of balance is sometimes too seductive to our minds. Granted, in the long term things tend to even out, but I take that to be thousands of years, not decades.

To me the idea that this Leftist clusterfuck will be a Perfect Storm is wishful thinking, they have plenty of resources in reserve and these can be fallen back upon in case if there is disastrous infighting at the front. The most significant of those resources are their occupation of academia (producing fresh cannon fodder in the form of college age SJW's), their occupation of institutions and lastly their grip on the 'Legacy media' (thanks to Dusty for using Styx's label).

These resources will show themselves in two forms:

1) A self-rebadging of former SJW's into someone who is allegedly aware of this clusterfuck and denounces it. This is a manouevre I've already spotted in individuals and could be represented by the noises made by the MSM described above, I think it is probably fake though, it's not permanent, probably similar to the denouncing of antifa by MSNBC (Joe Scarborough's show.. on here). It's like multi tentacled creature cutting off a diseased appendage.

2) If No 1. here also falls flat (it probably won't.. it's slick), then we get a re-emergence of the original Marxist hardliners who went out into the cold with the emergence of intersectionality.

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Post by semper occultus » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:57 pm

The new feminist war: young women vs old women
Attempts by older women to moderate youthful anger are often seen as a gross abuse of their power

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/the ... inist-war/

An emergent theme is the notion that age per se renders older feminists ideologically suspect (unless one of their number is safely dead, and can be electronically exhumed for an inspirational meme). Laura Hudson, culture editor of The Verge website, recently tweeted that while she had ‘great respect for the contributions that many women made to the feminist movement’ in difficult times, ‘it is also time for them to listen, to learn, to step aside’.

Hudson’s reasoning emerged more bluntly in discussion: ‘Because age tends to correlate with not being on board with progress.’ Or maybe it’s just that older feminists, with greater experience of life, often no longer possess the purifying zeal for seeing complex situations in black and white. Attempts by older women to moderate youthful fury are often seen by younger activists simply as a gross abuse of their power.

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Post by C_D » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:17 am

Hudson’s reasoning emerged more bluntly in discussion: ‘Because age tends to correlate with not being on board with progress.’ Or maybe it’s just that older feminists, with greater experience of life, often no longer possess the purifying zeal for seeing complex situations in black and white. Attempts by older women to moderate youthful fury are often seen by younger activists simply as a gross abuse of their power.
Unless some miraculous point of universal agreement can be reached, we are literally on the verge of tearing our Western societies apart - across so many points of contention - that it's going to be impossible for a high functioning, high-maintenance system such as our own to continue. It has the potential to be extremely ugly.

Personally, I'm devoted to the miraculous.

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Post by Staggers » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:58 am

I'm hoping for a miracle too, but there's such a thing as a point of no return. I think we've crossed it. What do you think?

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Post by C_D » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:09 am

Staggers said:
What do you think?
Hello Staggers. Nice to meet your mind.

This is where my mind is today - I wonder if those with real power are seriously considering... viewtopic.php?f=5&t=202&start=40#p1636

Tomorrow, it may well change.

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Post by greycircle » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:15 pm

Jakell said the roots of the SJW go way back to a really dark place. I blame American Dream, his family tree goes all the way back to before the big bang when there was no light. :twisted:
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Post by semper occultus » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:07 pm

the following passage from the previously cited article above

Within a relatively short time, on almost every level, our society has encouraged the mass commodification of sex and the self-loathing of girls. On top of that, the housing market is unaffordable. Our gift to the younger generation, it seems, is a legacy of unhappy sex — and nowhere to do it.

This was the social climate in which today’s twenty-something women grew up, and it is increasingly clear that many of them feel fundamentally panicked and disrespected by it, yet often find it virtually impossible to refuse a man in the moment. Kristen Roupenian’s brilliant short story Cat Person — and to some extent Grace’s account of her evening with Ansari — both described young women going along sexually with things they didn’t want, but which felt underwritten by porn. That semi-detached acquiescence can send confusing signals to men, even those who regard themselves as enlightened.

It can also be confusing to women of my generation and above who often can’t see why — if things aren’t enjoyable but aren’t coerced — one wouldn’t just get away, however awkwardly. Yet today’s twenty-somethings grew up trapped in a different script, one they’re struggling to rewrite. It needs rewriting, but — as Atwood suggested — we’re in the volatile ‘terror and virtue’ phase of the revolution, where fairness is endangered, and denunciation can seem more valued than progress.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/the ... inist-war/

really resonated in tune with this one

What is Gender Ideology ?

https://jacobitemag.com/2018/04/04/what ... -ideology/

Sexual ideologues have acquired enormous political muscle, and – much as they have already cast aside all inhibitions and controls on sex itself – they are now similarly casting aside any inhibitions and seek to remove controls on their exercise of political power.

Does this mean that sexual “improprieties” or “misbehavior” do not exist? Of course not. It means that the sexual radicals encouraged it, and the sexual radicals are now reaping the benefits.

Whether by accident or design, they have achieved this power in two stages (which are not necessarily separate chronologically): The first step was to seek unlimited sexual freedom by discarding traditional restraints and religious norms governing pre-marital and extra-marital sex, the sanctity of marriage itself, parental controls over courtship and education, as well as homosexuality and other forms of unconventional sexuality. Next, they have exploited the resulting chaos by substituting their own, government-approved and government-enforced code of sexual regulation that replaces sin with crime, includes ideological heterodoxy among the offenses, and discards community disapproval in favor of quasi-criminal and criminal penalties, enforced by the state gendarmerie and penal system.

In breaking down traditional sexual inhibitions, the radicals destroyed the language we used to keep sexual activity under control. Terms like “sin,” “fornication,” and “adultery” are now forbidden in educated and polite society and are avoided even by increasingly intimidated religious believers. Instead the radicals have substituted their own jargon to impose order on the predictable conflict that they themselves engendered: “sexism,” “misogyny,” “sexual harassment,” “sexual misconduct,” sexual this and sexual that.

The result is moral and legal confusion, intermingling what seem like clear matters of criminality like rape, that everyone knows must be punished, with ill-defined new offenses that arise from the new sexual freedom but are still part of private relationships and extending to ideological heterodoxy. Most people have no understanding what terms like “sexual harassment” mean, because the whole point of such jargon is to ensure that it is vague enough to mean anything and can be stretched to fit whatever the radicals disapprove of and want to make a matter of legal accusation and punishment. And indeed, the radicals have taken advantage of the confusion to redefine even terms like “rape” and “violence” to meanings very different from what plain English denotes. But when dust settles the net result is clear: the replacement of morality with ideology and the criminalization of private life, especially that of men.

The dynamic of the Sexual Revolution is thus dialectical, and therefore paradoxical and difficult to understand.

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